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On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Nick Nicholas wrote: > As is very clear, I just don't get what And, Jorge and xod clearly get. > So I'll let them be able to say what they want (without getting it), > and move on. Don't accuse me of getting anything! I'll deny it to the end. I just want loi to have a single meaning, and stop fielding two as-yet-unified meanings (substance and collective), which have very different entailments whether pondered in English or Lojban. When I start writing Lojban once more (see? natural evolution and usage!), I am fairly sure that I will only use loi for collective. There must be a way to describe substances using individual gadri, whether an arbitrarily-sized lump is considered an individual {glass of water = 1 lo ci'i[1] djacu}, or whether all of the water is considered a single entity {glass of water = piso'u lo [1] djacu}. I don't care which. -- // if (!terrorist) // ignore (); // else collect_data ();