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Nick denies that we eat individuals. Well, I think we eat oysters (whether of the oceanic or "mountain" variety) as individuals, or so I am told, not being an oysterphage myself. Also when we eat Raoul, we eat him as an individual. :-) -- First known example of political correctness: John Cowan "After Nurhachi had united all the other http://www.reutershealth.com Jurchen tribes under the leadership of the http://www.ccil.org/~cowan Manchus, his successor Abahai (1592-1643) jcowan@hidden.email issued an order that the name Jurchen should --S. Robert Ramsey, be banned, and from then on, they were all _The Languages of China_ to be called Manchus."