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Jordan: > On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 05:24:19AM -0000, And Rosta wrote: > > Jordan: > > > On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 08:49:36PM -0000, And Rosta wrote: > > > > "(su'o) lo broda" refers to things individuated by virtue of > > > > being a single (countable) broda. "(su'o) da poi broda" and > > > > "(su'o) da broda" refers to things individuated somehow, but > > > > not necessarily by virtue of being a single countable broda > > > > > > But, as I said, I don't think "(su'o) da broda" has any relevance > > > to whether "(su'o) lo broda" and "(su'o) da poi broda" have the > > > same meaning. So I still don't understand your complaint > > > > In {da poi ke'a/da broda}, the truthconditions for {ke'a/da broda} > > should be the same as for "(su'o) da broda" -- that is, the properties > > that da must have should be the same regardless of whether it > > is inside a relative clause or not > > Ahh ok, I see > > So yes, but "da broda" requires the referent of "da" to be a single > individual broda in addition to whatever other types of single > individual it is, which is the same as "lo broda", I think On the one hand that was half of the intention, I think, with noncountability being done by massing together all the single broda and then taking arbitrary piPA fractions of it. But on the other hand, I really don't think that "ti blanu" has ever meant to anybody "this is a single blue thing", "this is a blanu selci", "x has the property of being blue in a way such that having the property makes x countable". --And.