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At 01:29 PM 1/4/03 +0000, you wrote:
la lojbab cusku di'e I think your proposal about le/lo goes in the right direction, though you still talk of default quantifiers while the best assignment is that they should have no quantifier: they should be singular terms.
That would reintroduce the concept of number, which Loglan/Lojban attempted to remove.
>I think that if du'u abstractions refer to facts/relations in the real
>world i.e. being realized, si'o abstractions might be used to refer to
>facts/relations that might or might not be realized or realizable.
Does anybody use {du'u} that way? I think we use {du'u} for
any relationship, realized or not.
I had a different impression, that lo [nu broda] and lo [du'u broda] was as much a claim of the reality/existence of the description as lo [tanxe] and lo [unicorn] in the ongoing discussions. My insight (for what it was worth) was in noting that an idea exists in-mind whether the idea is realized in any particular reality. If that is not relevant to the current problem, then there is no need to continue.
The issue that comes up
often is about {nu} and whether or not it should apply only
to things that happen in the sense that mlatu applies only
to things that are cats.
Okay, so it is about whether nu requires realization, but du'u does not require it?
>but I think I've also talked about si'o as the neutral,
>least restrictive featured abstraction,
Isn't that {su'u}?
Braino. You're right, and I merged si'o and su'u in my mind in that sentence. That si'o explicitly invokes an in-mind and not a real-world situation I think is my key point, and I was wondering if that helped in addressing any of the problems (I don't think it helps on the transparent/opaque readings but it might help on others).
What do you mean by "featured"?
I was defining su'u in a half asleep mind while thinking of si'o, and my reference to "features" was a groping at And's attempts to define words in terms of +/- features
su'u is -[features] while nu and si'o etc have some + features. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@hidden.email Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org