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Nick: >For now, I think "countable innards = collective, uncountable >innards = substance" is good... Me too. >... but if you slice each person precisely in half, you still have a >substance with countable innards. Because hemi-humans are not the >product of the universal grinder; but they sure don't belong to any >notion of collective of humans, either. Hm. This is bad. We can >disambiguate with {poi na se cmima lo nalmulno}, but yeah, we either >pragmatically allow this, with only a default 'entire members', or we >leave the lojbanmass utterly vague, and start eyeing at the >alternatives (like sets for collectives -- no question that their >members are entire.) Yeah, this is a problem... Not a problem, because qua countable innards they aren't remna: "loi re broda" requires that each countable member be either a single broda or at least some broda (more on that when I'm back in Blighty). --And. When words aren't enough - Vodafone live! A new world of colour, sounds, picture messages and information on your mobile. <a href="http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;4909903;7724245;q?http://www.vodafone.co.uk/live"> Click here</a> to find out more.