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> >... and {pi ro loi} can do collectives after all? (My real worry was > >individuals vs. collective; substance I thought was taken care of with > >tu'o anyway.) > > Yes, but {pisu'o loi} does collectives to the same extent > that {piro loi} does collectives. When they do, one gives > "some broda collectively" and the other gives "every broda > collectively" I have a slight reservation about this. If one must use inner tu'o to get Substance (as we would like in AL), then all well and good. But if {loi (ro)} can refer to substance then there is no guarantee that {pi su'o loi ro} gives you a collective: {pi mu loi ci broda nanmu} might give you, say, the bottom halves of three people, or bodyparts totalling half the whole.
I agree, but the same argument applies to piro. If pimu can give you half of the goo then piro is the whole goo, not necessarily the total number acting together. So, either every fractional with inner ro gives collectives, or every fractional with inner ro, including piro, admits of the substance reading. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_smartspamprotection_3mf