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On Mon, Dec 23, 2002 at 12:54:22PM -0000, And Rosta wrote: > Lojbab: > > At 05:19 PM 12/22/02 +0000, And Rosta wrote: [...] > > >The best way to avoid sacrificing continuity is to leave the mess > > >exactly as it is > > > > Yes, but that does not get a dictionary written > > The dictionary entries for the mess could be written by the people > who understand it. I observe that you and Jordan, the two defenders > of lojbanmasses, have just posted apparently contradictory messages > about mei. So one solution would be to treat mei as polysemous. If there was a contradiction then by definition one of us was in error. I didn't read lojbab's, so I can't comment. But it doesn't help your case any unless you find a contradiction *in* *the* *book*. [...] > > The discussions we are having are NOT aimed at the "voting", but at the > > consensus building that will be necessary whenever the vote will be divided > > (as seems likely in this case), since consensus is not "majority rules" > > How can consensus develop when one person's judgements are conditioned by > such different factors from another's? In particular, there are some of > us who prefer things continuous with the past even if kludgey, while > there are others who prefer things elegant even if not continuous with > the past. It seems to me that the only way consensus can emerge is for > there to be enough of a poll for it to be clear what the majority view > is and for the minority to acquiesce. That is what happened with the > original academyless baseline freeze and now with the emergence of the > BF. > > More generally, consensus can emerge on relatively rational issues, > such as the range of meanings that we want Lojban to be able to > express. But on more ideological issues, such as how those meanings > are to be expressed, there is no truly consensual solution waiting to > be discovered, and the solution has to the one that the greatest > number of people are least unhappy with. People could trade consensus on issues also. "You can have your fooby foo gadri if I get Blah", etc. Anyway, if lojbanists can't get consensus on *anything*, which is a possibility, then lojban should just, as they say, die in the arse. -- Jordan DeLong - fracture@hidden.email lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku
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