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Nick: > cu'u la .and > >Jordan: > >> On Sun, Dec 22, 2002 at 12:33:32PM -0000, And Rosta wrote: > >> > The problem: to capture the difference between: > >> > > >> > 1. The lion lives in Africa. = A lion typically lives in Africa > >> > 2. I study the lion. != A lion typically is studied by me > >> > >> #2 is a si'o abstraction > > >I meant not by 2 that I am a psychologist but that I am a > >zoologist. If #2 is a si'o abstraction then the example is > >irrelevant. If #2 means that I am a zoologist, then the example > >is not irrelevant. I intended the example in the relevant > >sense > > Still no dice. I understand your conundrum --- what to do with > intrinsic and non-intrinsic claims of the prototype. But I think the > solution --- which is certainly reflected in what others (John?) have > said about the prototype --- is not to predicate anything of the > prototype that isn't definitional to it. In the same way that you > cannot say {mi kavbu lo'e cinfo} > > So #2 is not a fact about the prototype, unless lions are defined by > the fact that you study them. Rather, #2 is a fact about the Kind > (which I am going to start pushing for your Unique, because Kind is > intelligible. And yes, your rendering is 'map Kind to Individual'; I > say that should go in the small print, because Kinds are something we > understand in English.) Okay: I accept this as a solution. Prototype is not the only generic, and sometimes Unique is the appropriate generic. I don't have a problem with Unique being construed as Kind, so long as that doesn't lead to extrapolations inconsistent with the definition of Unique. --And.