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* Regarding the definition lo = su'o pa as inviolable
It should be caveated that Lojbab never fully accepted that lo broda = su'o da poi broda. I think even in this thread he made some comment about that. He also used to insist that the order in which {lo broda} appears in a bridi should not affect meaning. And's proposal may turn out to be a discovery of what Lojbab's intuitions on {lo} were all about from the beginning, intuitions which he simply was not able to explain or we were not able to understand. Certainly the claim that Lojban does not force you to make the singular/plural distinction makes the most sense with {lo} as the Substance gadri.
* Rejecting the DeLong/LeChevalier line of {lo prenu remei cu bevri}, because if {remei} is a mass we're back to square one (it could still be one person doing the carrying), and if {remei} is a collective... well, that might work, but it needs a lot of thinking
I don't understand what could be objectionable about {lo prenu remei cu bevri}. {remei} seems to be necessarily collective. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_3mf