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The difference here, though, is that the non-animals can't be seen as animals by adding a criterion of animalhood and the animals can be seen as non-animals by erasing a criterion of animalhood.
Lojbab said he had no trouble seeing sofas as animals, and John has no problem with teddy bears as {cribe}, so a danlu-gadri might be useful for them.
How, then, do we talk about things that are "broda with the addition of intrinsic boundaries" and "broda with the subtraction of intrinsic boundaries"?
For addition, nothing is needed because every broda is always countable in Lojban. We all agree about {re djacu} implying contextual boundaries. (This applies as much to distributive as to collective reference.) For the subtraction of boundaries, we can use "Unique". Substance is always a subtype of Unique anyway, isn't it? If there is only one member, the idea of boundaries between members loses its meaning. So {lo'e djacu} works well for "water" as substance: le botpi e le kabri cu vasru lo djacu The bottle contains a (=some) water and the glass contains a (=some) water. le botpi e le kabri cu vasru lo'e djacu There is water in the bottle and in the glass. Subtle difference, but the second one says that the bottle and the glass contain the same stuff while the first one says that each contains a water (there is a different water in each container). mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________MSN 8 limited-time offer: Join now and get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_newmsn8ishere_3mf