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Jorge Llambias scripsit: > If you divide {pa rismi} in many parts, you normally end up > with {so'i rismi} (assuming you started with a big enough > {pa rismi}. But if you divide {pa nanmu} in many parts, > you don't end up with {so'i nanmu}, no matter how big the > pa nanmu was. Ah, but you can, if "pa nanmu" means "a regiment of men" (which is justified on the same basis as saying "pa birje" can mean "a vat of beer"). Gricean considerations will block this in most cases, but not all. In short, I think of the notion of collectives as orthogonal to the individual/substance distinction. A collective may constitute an individual or a substance. -- All Gaul is divided into three parts: the part John Cowan that cooks with lard and goose fat, the part www.ccil.org/~cowan that cooks with olive oil, and the part that www.reutershealth.com cooks with butter. -- David Chessler jcowan@hidden.email