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John: > Invent Yourself scripsit: > > > I don't have the book here, > > I don't either > > > but are you quite sure the chapter on ka > > doesn't give an example or 2 of ce'u-less ka that's not equivalent to a > > du'u? > > I believe it does, but I don't stand behind such examples; they are > brain farts and acknowledged to be so by John in the Great Ka Debate of '99. (I don't know if it really was '99; it just sounds good. Probably more recent than that actually, because it finished after the wiki was born.) --And.