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And Rosta scripsit: > Our Forefathers spoke of Mr Bird as a mass, but there is loads of > confusion here. Lojbo 'masses' are groups = logli 'sets'. The > notion of 'group' makes more sense for things that are naturally > individuable. For stuff that isn't naturally individuable, > the notion of 'mass' is more appropriate, but is not really distinct > from Mr Stuff. What counts as "natural" individuability? The-mass-of-all-ice weighs billions of tons, but Mr. Ice does not, because the (proto)typical instance of ice is much smaller. The Greenland and Antarctica ice sheets are not (proto)typical. Yet boundaries between ice blobs are rather arbitrary. -- Not to perambulate || John Cowan <jcowan@hidden.email> the corridors || http://www.reutershealth.com during the hours of repose || http://www.ccil.org/~cowan in the boots of ascension. \\ Sign in Austrian ski-resort hotel