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Xorxes has replied to Nick, who is beating his own path through ground we have already traversed and found barren (not a criticism of what Nick is doing -- I myself always find that the best way to get where the pioneers are is to find my own way there), but let me remind Nick that it is perfectly possible to kill kau, thus: du'u makau du'au ce'u {lo'i du'u makau} and {lo'i du'au ce'u} are equivalent; they both are sets of propositional answers. The former expression has the virtue of being established in usage; the latter expression has the virtue of yielding a closer and more compositional match between form and meaning. --And.