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Re: [jboske] RE: lo'ie != lo'ei




la nitcion cusku di'e

cu'u la xorxes

As one argument against Mr Doctor = loi mikce

> >Perhaps. Like I say, though, I don't know that Mr Doctor is lo'e
> >mikce. In fact, I don't know yet that s/he isn't {loi mikce} after
> >all. Massification suppresses individuation, so the choosing of
> >opacity vs. transparency is sidestepped there too. Isn't it?
>
> Yes, (whole) masses are singular and thus sidestep opacity
> vs. transparency, but only if you were really really sick
> would you need the whole mass of all doctors to work on your
> case (and you'd have to be very rich to pay them too, I doubt
> any social security would cover all that).

Sorry, but that's anti-CLL. loi = pisu'o loi ro .

That's why I specified _whole_ masses. If you're thinking
of {pisu'o}, then {loi broda} is not a singular term and
opacity is not sidestepped. Only singular terms can
sidestep it.

[As a matter of fact, I'm ok with the pisu'o default for
{loi}, but I don't think {loi broda} is a singular term.
And prefers a piro default. For {lei broda}, on the other
hand, I want and assume a {piro} default, against CLL.
This just follows the su'o-ro defaults for lo-le, and
they are the useful ones for the same reasons.]

If one doctor cures
me, Mr Doctor cures me; that's Lojban baseline, and that's still my
starting point. In fact, this behaviour is how come we know {loi mikce}
is Mr Doctor, and not "a plurality of doctors". So I dispute your
invocation of whole masses: {loi mikce} is not {pi ro loi mikce}.

I agree with that last bit. On the other hand, {mi nitcu loi mikce}
says that there is some fraction of the mass of doctors such
that I need that fraction. Not what we want.

Quite startling for me to discover, first that Mr Broda had gone from
loi to lo'e, and then that it should be loi after all... Not a given
you'll agree with either, though. :-)

{Mr Broda} is a singular term, whereas {(pisu'o) loi broda} is not.

I take {pisu'o loi broda} to be {su'o lu'o su'o lo broda}. Maybe
you're thinking of something else.

mu'o mi'e xorxes



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