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On Sat, Dec 14, 2002 at 11:07:16PM -0000, And Rosta wrote:
> Jordan:
> > On Sat, Dec 14, 2002 at 07:58:07PM -0000, And Rosta wrote:
> > > Jordan:
[...]
> > > > That's what nei is for:
> > > > mi ckaji leka ce'u citka le nei
> > >
> > > But once the two coreferential terms are not in the same bridi,
> > > it doesn't work, or at least not without cumbersome subscripting
> > > operating according to unofficial and unagreed conventions
> > >
> > > Also, the meaning of {nei} has not been satisfactorily agreed
> > > on yet
> >
> > Well; there's also the ability to explicitly subscript: ce'u xi pa
> > is always the same
> >
> > If you're worried about length, go propose some da de di equivalents
> > for ce'u (cei'a cei'u cei'i?). Personally I don't see a need though:
> > 99.9% of the time people use only 1 variable in a ka abstract, so
> > if you want a more complicated expression it's ok that you either
> > need to use different stuff (nei), or if it's nested by more than
> > one (no'a will work for 1) need to use subscripting
>
> The convenience of ke'a is exactly when you want to use one variable
> more than once. It saves having to use ce'u subscripting (also an
> unofficial convention), or nei/no'a subscripting (also unofficial),
> which also won't even work if neither instance of the variable is
> an argument of the selbri. The method that definitely will work is
> ko'a-assignment with goi, but that is cumbersome. So, ke'a is much
> more convenient than the alternatives.
Ok; you ignored the main point though: people almost *never* need
to repeat these things in practice.
WRT to subscripting; those are obvious and (afaik) uncontroversial
conventions which may very well be standard in a while.
> That said, if there are poi/poi'i embedded within poi/poi'i, ko'a
> assignment remains necessary, which is what led me to propose a
> range of experimentals to abbreviate KOhA-assignment.
Most of those abbreviation things are a bit of a joke though. You
have things like "goi'a" IIRC, which saves *one* syllable, and needs
preprocessor changes to work properly. Furthermore, the entire idea
of proposing them now before there's any usage (particularly usage
by yourself) suggesting them warranted goes against what you were
saying about your views on shortings on the main list.
(In case you can't tell, I really don't like those cmavo).
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Jordan DeLong - fracture@hidden.email
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