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> O+ = su'o+na (but NOT me'iro) Yeah---I'm not sure what that me'iro stuff is about. Not all is su'o+naku or naku+ro. Maybe xorxes can explain that.
"less than all" is equivalent to "not all". In principle, for
any number "not that number" is "less than or mor than that number",
but in the case of "all", "more than all" is contradictory, so
all that remains is "less than all".
In the same manner, we could use "za'uno" instead of "naku no" =
"su'o". In this case "less than none" is contradictory, and so
the negation of none is reduced to "more than none".
That's why I said that a more systematic naming of the four
quantifiers would have been:
ro
no
za'u[no]
me'i[ro]
but {za'u} got a {za'upa} default for use as a plural marker.
Another systematic naming would be:
ro
no
su'o[pa]
su'e[da'apa]
I think it would be a good idea if the default complement of
{su'e} was {da'apa}, "at most (all but one)".
These forms I think are the ones that most clearly show the
"natural" import of I+ and O+. At least one broda is required
to either satisfy or not satisfy brode. When ro=no, da'apa is
just as contradictory as pa, since you can't have less than
(all = none) any more than you can have more than all.
(Btw, does anyone know what the naku rules for
{rosu'o} would be?)
There is no simple rule.
naku ro lo su'o broda cu brode
= naku ge da broda gi ro broda cu brode
= ganai da broda ginai ro broda cu brode
= ganai da broda gi su'o broda naku brode
= ganai da broda gi me'i broda cu brode
Now, {ganai da broda gi ...} is simply the way of removing
import, just as {ge da broda gi ...} is the way of adding
import. So of course, the negation of {ro lo su'o broda cu brode},
i.e. A+, is simply O-. {me'i broda cu brode} is O+, and
{ganai da broda gi me'i broda cu brode} is O-.
Anyway, I've not been dealing with the import of so'o, so'e, etc, and I still think they are off topic.
My feeling is that {so'i}, {so'o} and {so'u} are definitely
importing, while {so'a} and {so'e} should probably be non-importing
but I'm not as sure about these last two. I seem to remember
someone saying that the first three are independent of ro while the
last two are relative, though I'm not sure whether this distinction
made it to CLL.
mu'o mi'e xorxes
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