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pycyn@hidden.email scripsit: > Nor, I think, > in the numerical disiplines: arithmetic is incomplete and undecidable, > analysis is at least complete, so, if integers were real numbers, we could > complete arithmetic by going through analysis (only slightly specious > argument). Umm, rather specious. Saying that the integers are reals does not mean that integer operations are the same as real operations: obviously they aren't. > We do -- outside of computer work and very fussy projects -- tend to use the > same notation for the lot (as the rationals get totally absorbed into the > reals, while still being very different things -- sets of ordered pairs, vs. > ordered pairs of sets, for example). Well, if you take the view that a natural number n *is* the set of sets of cardinality n (Frege) or that it *is* a Zermelo set, or whatever, then you may have trouble identifying the rest of the numeric tower with these particular sets. But I don't take that viewpoint: I'm an unabashed Platonist. > Nice, if contradictory looking. Certainly more intelligible (and so > convincing) than the usual one through the calculus. Here's a calculus-based proof to chew on: xy = (x + x + ... + x) y times x^2 = (x + x + ... + x) x times Take the derivative of both sides: 2x = (1 + 1 + 1 + ... + 1) x times 2x = x 2 = 1 -- John Cowan jcowan@hidden.email "You need a change: try Canada" "You need a change: try China" --fortune cookies opened by a couple that I know