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My question, then, is what is the difference between CLL & xod's
versions, and for each version, how can the other be said in
Std lojban?
--And.
> la and cusku di'e
>
> >xorxes:
> > > la and cusku di'e
> > >
> > > >Certainly there is a difference between
> > > >
> > > > There is a man such that all week it has been the case
> > > > that John hits him
> > > >
> > > > All week it has been the case that there is a man that John hits
> > > >=At no time during the week has it been false that there is a man
> > > > that John hits
> > > >
> > > >I would have thought that
> > > >
> > > > la djan cu darxi lo nanmu ze'a le jeftu
> > > > la djan cu darxi ze'a le jeftu lo nanmu
> > > >
> > > >would respectively be the ways to express the two meanings. But I may
> > > >be wrong -- afaik, this precise point has never been discussed before
> > >
> > > I think that is not the way. I think {ze'a} refers to a single
> > > interval and not to all points in an interval as points
> > > To get that we have {roroi}:
> > >
> > > la djan cu darxi lo nanmu roroi le jeftu
> > > There is a man such that John hits him every
> > > time during the week
> > >
> > > la djan cu darxi roroi le jeftu lo nanmu
> > > Every time during the week, there is a man that
> > > John hits
> > >
> > > But {ze'a} should be a singular term
> >
> >Okay, but then you wrote:
> >
> > > la djan cu darxi lo nanmu ze'a lo jetfu
> > >
> > > CLL reading:
> > >
> > > su'o da poi nanmu zo'u (la djan cu darxi da ze'a lo jetfu)
> > > There is at least one man x such that: (John hits x all week)
> > >
> > > xod's reading:
> > >
> > > (su'o da poi nanmu zo'u la djan cu darxi da) ze'a lo jeftu
> > > (There is at least one man that John hits) that happens all week
> > >
> > > [xod's] reading is what I want to say. I don't want to say that any
> > > single man was hit all week, John may have hit a different man each
> > > day, for example. But the CLL reading with {lo} says that at
> > > least one of the men was hit all week
> >
> >So what is the difference between your and my versions?
>
> I quoted the whole post because I don't understand the question
>
> You suggest there is a difference between:
>
> > > > la djan cu darxi lo nanmu ze'a le jeftu
> > > > la djan cu darxi ze'a le jeftu lo nanmu
>
> I claim they are both the same: the first one in your
> interpretation
>
> Xod also thinks they are both the same, but he thinks
> they correspond to the second one in your interpretation
>
> You give relevant scope to both {ze'a} and {lo}
> I only give relevant scope to {lo} and take {ze'a} as
> a singular term. Xod gives relevant scope to neither
> of them. His interpretation (against CLL) matches my
> original {la djan cu darxi lo'ei nanmu ze'a le jeftu}
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
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