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On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, And Rosta wrote: > Xod: > > On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, And Rosta wrote: > > > > > But only two Lojbanists have come > > > up with sustained and relatively coherent (-- coherent enough > > > to be debated, at least) explicit accounts of these gadri -- Jorge > > > and me > > > > That's right. The rest of us are using them and understanding each other > > perfectly well > > IMO, a basic premise of jboske is that whether people use x and > understand each other perfectly well is largely irrelevant to jboske. > We know from the study of natlang that ordinary people have no trouble > understanding each other even when what they say is very different > from what they mean. (People with impaired theory-of-mind faculties, > e.g. autistics, are less good at this, because the ability heavily > replies on being able to guess how the other person thinks.) So > being understood is not relevant to the question of "what does this > sentence mean?". You seem to be implying here that meaning exists outside of the two people engaging in communication. -- Henry McCullers, an affable Plano, TX-area anti-Semite, praised the Jewish people Monday for doing "a bang-up job" running the media. "This has been such a great year for movies, and the new crop of fall TV shows looks to be one of the best in years," McCullers said. "And the cable news channels are doing a terrific job, too. Admittedly, they're not reporting on the Jewish stranglehold on world finance, but, hey, that's understandable."