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Re: [jboske] more true (was: RE: Re: ka ka (was: Context Leapers)



In a message dated 10/4/2002 8:39:45 PM Central Daylight Time, a.rosta@hidden.email writes:

<<
. I wonder if there will be ambiguous cases, when
pi PA values are ambiguous between (a) how much p is happening,
and (b) the extent to which p satisfies the threshold criteria
for being true at all. For example, {ko'a ja'a xi pi bi melbi}
might mean that ko'a's beauty measures .8 in millihelens, or
it might mean that ko'a is not quite beautiful but is close to
the threshold of beauty. I'd prefer to stick with the latter
reading only.
>>
Shouldn't be, for, as your example shows, you are talking about (at least) two different things: quantity of a preoprety and truth value of a claim ({ni} and {jei}).  But ti does seem that you are not always clear (nor am I about what you say) which it is you are talking about.

<<
> I would take it that xorxes' {ja'acai} etc. are of the class of
> comments, with "barely".  I am less sure where to put {ja'axipiPA}. 
> They look like more precise comments, but are translated as
> functions, like "very."  Since I think that functions should be
> represented in the selbri, not off to the side, I will take them too
> as comments, though a good translation is not always obvious.

The distinction you draw is a valid one that I hadn't thought of
before. I'd say that the 'comment' construal of JAhA+CAI better
approximates what I had in mind when I proposed it, though the
simple notion of there being degrees of truth (analogous to the
speed of something that is moving: fast:moving :: very:true) is
not incompatible with functionhood.

As for JAhA+XI, that was developed (by Official Persons) as a way to
do fuzzy logic, so the intention of that is that it be function
not comment.
>>
But moving fast is a different predicate from moving -- or else is a property of moving (a {ni}) so stays in the predicate range-- functions, not comments.

The official line is not perfectly clear what it meeans.  I take it to be a way of talking about fuzzy values -- comments, then -- not a way of affecting them (nor effecting them neither).