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I prefer Jorge's position. I know that's not a very helpful contribution from me, but sometimes it helps to know where people stand on issues. --And. >>> Jorge Llambias <jjllambias@hidden.email> 03/06/02 12:27am >>> la pycyn cusku di'e >Lojban is now on the brink of being able to use the complete set of these >quantifiers: the + group is {Q (lo) broda cu brode}, the - group is {Q da >poi >broda cu brode}. There is another way to do it: A+ ro lo su'o broda cu brode E+ no lo su'o broda cu brode I+ su'o lo su'o broda cu brode O+ me'iro lo su'o broda cu brode = da'asu'o lo su'o broda cu brode A- ro lo [ro] broda cu brode E- no lo [ro] broda cu brode I- su'o lo [ro] broda cu brode O- me'iro lo [ro] broda cu brode I can't really believe that {su'o da poi broda} is I-, true in the absence of broda, but if that works, so should {su'o lo ro broda}. Same for O-. More credible O- and I- are: O- naku ro lo su'o broda cu brode I- naku no lo su'o broda cu brode On the other hand, A+ and E+ are not at all controversial as {ro lo su'o broda} and {no lo su'o broda}. >Assuming that {ro} and {su'o} behave properly for A+, A- >and I+ and that {no} works for E+ and E- and that O+ is just {su'o S cu >naku >P}, we need only a new form for O-. {na'e ro} fills the bill, for even if >S >is empty, the value will be different from {ro}. But {na'e ro} is not a grammatical quantifier. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@hidden.email Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/