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On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:24 AM, And Rosta <and.rosta@hidden.email> wrote: > > It doesn't really satisfy the same world/not-necessarily-same world > contrast, tho; the difference, with "X see Y", between "There's Y, and Y > acts as visual stimulus on X, causing X to form a percept of Y" and "X as a > result of visual stimulus perceives Y to obtain". You could force the first > interpretation by "la ftca fa smo'e vska'aka" or "la fa smo'e li fi vska'aka > lu gnmukaki re mneku ftc/jtne". But it's so much easier just to have two > versions of f. If you mean the difference between "I see someone in the room" and "I see that someone is in the room", then I would do those as: sa je prna le kmfe zvtake vska'aka Some A/[person(A) & E/room(E): at(A,E)]: see(me,A) la fa se prne li kmfi zvteki vska'aka A/[Situation A in which: some E/person(E): I/room(I): at(E,I)]: see(me,A) But I don't see that this has much to do with non-factual worlds. If you mean some other contrast, I'm not sure I understand what you mean. ma'a xrxe