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Rob: > On Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 06:10:15AM -0000, thinkit41 wrote: > > Decary? 10 arguments? I'm pretty unconvinced after 2, although > > there may be a true ternary operator (none have given an example). > > You have chosen to ignore the example. Certainly you can get out of > anything if you invent the appropriate words, but as pycyn points out, > all you're doing is avoiding the fact that 'give' has three places > (giver, gift, reciever) by making one word for 'give' and another for > 'recieve', which between them cover the three places. > > You would also need separate idea words for "talk to" and "talk about", > and "go to" and "go from", etc. How about concepts like "between" or > "combine" where the x2 and x3 are interchangeable? Or would you simply > leave those out of your language? > > What you would end up doing, it seems, is creating a separate idea for > each combination of x1 and some other place, which is just a really > inefficient way of doing tags. Hence I maintain that if you're not going > to bother to use complete place structures, you shouldn't use them at > all. OTOH, the alternative extreme is to have no upper limit on the number of arguments a predicate can have, which is doable but impractical. One way of implementing Thinkit's binarity is to treat the predicate as a state of affairs and then have binary relations between this state of affairs and each participant. Go GIVE would be: X1 = a giving X2 is giver of X1 X3 is recipient of X1 X4 is gift of X1 The downside of this is that you need a much larger vocabulary -- one word per argument-relation ('giver', 'recipient', 'gift') rather than one word per underlying predicate ('give'). --And.