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> > I'm beginning to think that the idea situation is that > Ceqli predicates should, Loglanlike, have a set place structure: > > No, please. Those place structures are one of the worst > features of Loglan and Lojban and the lack of them > is one of the more attractive features of Tceqli. I agree about that being a really poor part of the Loglan/Lojban designs. Having to learn the positions of all those arguments is a big learning burden. I'd prefer a simpler system using prepositions to introduce indirect objects with the only predicate being the direct object.