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On 7/8/05, Rex May - Baloo <rmay@hidden.email> wrote: > on 7/8/05 10:44 AM, Jim Henry at jimhenry1973@hidden.email wrote: > > > On 7/8/05, Rex May - Baloo <rmay@hidden.email> wrote: > > And it may be too late for this (too many words in the > > lexicon already to have collisions with), but an easy rule for remembering > > letter names would be nice. Something like > > unvoiced consonants get a name which is the named consonant > > plus "-al", while voiced consonants get "-un" -- or whatever > > suffixes you might find that sound distinct and don't cause collision with > > existing words. That would keep > > letter names fairly distinct for spelling out loud in noisy environments, > > but be easy to learn and remember. > > Yes, there's got to be a middle ground somewhere. Loglan has all names in > -ei, I think, and -ai for capitals if I remember right, and that's not > redundant enough. Lojban just follows everything with schwa, also not > redundant, and a danger of clashing with schwa-buffering. And if you get > redundant enough, there's a bit of a burden on the memory. Here's a > thought. use -eu for all of them. How would that help? >Eu being pronounced as in Esperanto > neutrala. Or maybe, following your notion, -eu for voiced and -ui for > unvoiced. > > One final idea is to use the really unused -w. I can't imagine what sound > to assign to it that would be both pronounceable and obscure enough that > we'd never need it for anything other than letters. Maybe we could > distinguish between a minimal schwa for buffering and a full schwa for -w. I think adding yet another phoneme at this point is a bad idea. I'm attaching a file with all the three-letter ceqli roots sorted by their rime. Maybe it will help you find a set of two or more rime elements that you can apply to the cwaba consonants with a consistent rule and not collide with existing words. When I get more time I might try to write a program to find such a system automatically -- maybe next week sometime. -- Jim Henry http://www.pobox.com/~jimhenry/review/log.htm
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