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on 5/30/05 9:54 AM, Jim Henry at jimhenry1973@hidden.email wrote: > On 5/30/05, Rex May <rmay@hidden.email> wrote: > >> So why not spell it "himl", "fiqr"? I think that in the case of the >> German word, it's actually arguable as to whether it's one >> syllable or two. That is, the -el, -er syllable is minimal (to my ear, >> anyway), and can be considered so faint ast to not be counted as >> a syllable at all. > > OK, but you're complicating the phonotactics again. > Some IALs allow speakers to insert an unstressed schwa where > they have trouble with particular consonant clusters > (or syllabic liquids and nasals, as here). I haven't really mentioned that, but yes, I expect schwa-buffering. Might as well, as it'll happen anyway. Another approach, which you all might like better, is to simply reverse the last two letters. Finger > fingre, Himmel > himle. That would leave the stress where it belongs, and distort the last syllable only slightly. But I don't like it much, myself. If I go with the himl pattern, I suppose I'll need to say that syllabic nasals and liguids are not counted as real syllables for stress purposes, whether they are intense enough to seem like syllables or not. -- Rex F. May (Baloo) Visit my website at: http://homepage.mac.com/rmay/ Great leadership training for boys at: http://afewgoodkids.com Strange language from an alternate universe at: http://www.geocities.com/ceqli/Texperanto.html