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Re: [ceqli] Re: Those damn letters



on 1/14/05 3:07 PM, HandyDad at lsulky@hidden.email wrote:

> 
> 
> --- In ceqli@yahoogroups.com, Rex May - Baloo <rmay@m...> wrote:
>> Now, after agonizing over it for months, I'm seriously considering modifying
>> the names of letters as letters and as anaphora.  They're just too long the
>> way they are.  Now, some language, Lojban, I think, simply pronounces the
>> consonants as C(schwa).  Is that doable?
>> 
>> Go pa don to karne ko to xyen.   X pa kom K.
>> 
>> Shuh pah comb kuh.
>> 
>> And maybe make unlaut o a permitted allophone of schwa.
>> 
>> Reactions?
>> -- 
> Happy New Year!
> You ruled out schwa as an allophone of "e", correct?

Yes.  A symptom of too much Chinese and German.
>In that case, I think
> your 
> suggestion is okay...but you still need a mechanism to distinguish between
> identical anaphora. And are the current names really so long? And I've been
> told by some Italians and Japanese that schwa resolves itself to "a" or "e" to
> their ears. Finally, are you allowing schwa buffering in the permitted initial
> consonant clusters, like "zb" and "sf" and "sl"?...that actually could cause
> confusion.

I think, in the first place, that the anaphora will have at least some
stress to them, and the buffering schwas will of course not be stressed at
all.  I think that's enough to make the difference.

I think the concept of using the consonants as anaphora is a good one.  I
just think we haven't hit on the optimum way of pronouncing them yet.  I
think I may be in a blind alley about making them redundant.  After all,
they're replacing natlang anaphora that hardly have any redundancy at all.

The need for an Alpha, Bravo, Charlie version of the letter names is still
there, but they needn't be the anaphora names, at least not exclusively.

I'm actually somewhat overwhelmed by stuff at the moment, and probably not
giving this enough clear thought.

-- 

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