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on 1/22/04 8:41 PM, Rex May - Baloo at rmay@hidden.email wrote: > on 1/22/04 7:00 PM, HandyDad at lsulky@hidden.email wrote: > >> Rex, could you translate the following into Ceqli for me? >> >> "My doctor, Dr. Lou Chen, does not eat meat." >> >> I'm most interested in >> 1) how we represent two-part names (like first and last) as a unit; >> 2) titles; and >> 3) that grammatical thing where we identify and then re-identify >> something (my doctor, Dr. Lou Chen). >> >> I'd also be interested to see how this would differ from: >> >> "My doctor, Dr. Lou Chen, and your doctor do not eat meat." >> >> in the two scenarios where (a) my doctor is Lou Chen and (b) my >> doctor and Lou Chen are different people. >> > > Whew! Let's see: > > Gose hilpro, hu bi to hilpro tia lu cen kay zise hilpro,sca bu kom te karn. (should be sa, above, not sca) > My doctor, who is Dr. (non-Ceqli name) lu chen and your doctor, they not > eat meat. > > The alternate would be > > Gose hilpro, to hilpro tia lu cen kay zise hilpro, sa bu kom te karn. > > I pick 'tia' as the same as 'ti', only signifying a non-ceqli name to > follow. > > To make it less ambiguous, we could close the to's and things: > > Gose hilpro, hu bi to hilpro tia lu cen betia beto behu kay zise hilpro, sa > bu kom te karn. > > Don't know if I've discussed 'sa', which is a Poirot/Frenchism. When you > have a multiple subject, you can disambiguate by using 'sa' as the actual > subject, which means "all the items in the preceding string". > > Now, insofar as hilpro is a title, I think it can be done this way ? to > hilpro ti jan = Dr. John. > > And ti (or tia) can be 'closed' in the event of a long name: > > to hilpro ti jan juy jansean beti. > > Now, I think tia just means non-ceqli, but tio would allow you to specify > what language the name is from: > > Tio hawayibol liliuokalani betio. > > All this make sense? Suggestions? Comments? > > -- Rex F. May (Baloo) Daily cartoon at: http://www.cnsnews.com/cartoon/baloo.asp Buy my book at: http://www.kiva.net/~jonabook/book-GesundheitDummy.htm