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on 5/21/02 2:03 PM, Rob Speer at rob@hidden.email wrote: > On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 06:39:04AM -0600, Rex May - Baloo wrote: >>> * bol: x1 says/expresses idea/quote x2 to audience x3 >>> * veri: x1 is much in property x2 (is very x2) >>> (or just 'ver'? Or a cognate from another language?) >> I'm inclined to want a single syllable here, and also a reversible one, so >> as to have the opposite 'slightly' or 'moderately'. Maybe do it in reverse, >> so that 'slightly' is slaj, and very is sjal. But I don't really like that. >> Anybody have a better idea. Probably we'll end up with an a priori word. > > One possibility that occurs to me is "trej" from French, and then > 'slightly' could be "tjer". > I think I like it >>> sta: x1 is at location x2 >>> kam: x1 works at activity x2 >> I sort of want a third place meaning maybe 'in exchange for' or 'for wages' > > But then you couldn't describe volunteer work with this preja. right again > >>> * fan: x1 likes/is fond of x2 >>> vol: x1 wants event/state x2 >>> (Many Lojban predicates have events or states for their places. For >>> an object to go there, you put "tu'a" before it, indicating that >>> there is an implied event. For example, "I want some coffee" implies >>> "I want to have some coffee". I think it makes sense to keep this >>> distinction in Ceqli.) >> Would there be a different meaning without the tu'a, or would it be >> meaningless? > I'm not entirely sure, but I think it would say that you want coffee to > exist. > >> My first reaction is to use ke. So that >> Go vol ke go ten ta pani. Can be shortened to >> Go vol ke ten pani. or even > "I want that something is have-water" >> Go vol ke pani. > "I want that something is water" > > I don't think the shortened versions work especially well - especially > the one with "ten pani", which is a compound. True. So you're thinking that the x2 of 'vol' has to be an event? As in Go vol ke go ten ta pani. And we can't have Go vol ta pani. But we'd have to use a word this way? Go vol (word) ta pani. > > Ceqli's compounds are a tradeoff. Compound words are easy to make, at > the expense of an extra syllable or two in other situations. I don't > think the extra syllables are a problem, especially since typical Ceqli > sentences are already so much shorter than Lojban ones. > >>> jan: x1 knows facts x2 about x3 (by epistemology x4?) >>> (The x4 place of Lojban's "djuno" is actually one of the more >>> frequently used oblique places; it answers the question "how do you >>> know?") >> Neat! I like it! > > Okay - looks like between this and "sel" we've got a case that x4 places > are useful. Yes. Oh, the word shd be either 'xan' or 'dxan,' the latter, if we want to preserve the Hindi root. -- >PLEASE NOTE MY NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS: rmay@hidden.email > Rex F. May (Baloo) > Daily cartoon at: http://www.cnsnews.com/cartoon/baloo.asp > Buy my book at: http://www.kiva.net/~jonabook/gdummy.htm > Language site at: http://www.geocities.com/ceqli/Uploadexp.htm >Discuss my auxiliary language at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/txeqli/