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On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 06:39:04AM -0600, Rex May - Baloo wrote: > > * bol: x1 says/expresses idea/quote x2 to audience x3 > > * veri: x1 is much in property x2 (is very x2) > > (or just 'ver'? Or a cognate from another language?) > I'm inclined to want a single syllable here, and also a reversible one, so > as to have the opposite 'slightly' or 'moderately'. Maybe do it in reverse, > so that 'slightly' is slaj, and very is sjal. But I don't really like that. > Anybody have a better idea. Probably we'll end up with an a priori word. One possibility that occurs to me is "trej" from French, and then 'slightly' could be "tjer". > > sta: x1 is at location x2 > > kam: x1 works at activity x2 > I sort of want a third place meaning maybe 'in exchange for' or 'for wages' But then you couldn't describe volunteer work with this preja. > > * fan: x1 likes/is fond of x2 > > vol: x1 wants event/state x2 > > (Many Lojban predicates have events or states for their places. For > > an object to go there, you put "tu'a" before it, indicating that > > there is an implied event. For example, "I want some coffee" implies > > "I want to have some coffee". I think it makes sense to keep this > > distinction in Ceqli.) > Would there be a different meaning without the tu'a, or would it be > meaningless? I'm not entirely sure, but I think it would say that you want coffee to exist. > My first reaction is to use ke. So that > Go vol ke go ten ta pani. Can be shortened to > Go vol ke ten pani. or even "I want that something is have-water" > Go vol ke pani. "I want that something is water" I don't think the shortened versions work especially well - especially the one with "ten pani", which is a compound. Ceqli's compounds are a tradeoff. Compound words are easy to make, at the expense of an extra syllable or two in other situations. I don't think the extra syllables are a problem, especially since typical Ceqli sentences are already so much shorter than Lojban ones. > > jan: x1 knows facts x2 about x3 (by epistemology x4?) > > (The x4 place of Lojban's "djuno" is actually one of the more > > frequently used oblique places; it answers the question "how do you > > know?") > Neat! I like it! Okay - looks like between this and "sel" we've got a case that x4 places are useful. -- Rob Speer