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I think we all can agree that Ceqli shd have place structure. Indeed, all languages do. It's just that Loglan formalized it, I think. So the basic form is: x1 V x2 x3 x4 Evidently, we can't use the method of bringing the end place around to the front. x4 x1 V x2 x3. But instead we would use the be ce de to switch places: x1 V x2 = x2 beV x1, and so on. And also a set of pinvor that are essentially case tags. Say, fa fe fi fo, to label the placeholders regardless of their position. And, finally, one or more 'something' place holders. Say it's Loglan'ba'. So: Go sta to dom. I'm at the house. To dom ga besta go. The house is the location of me. Fa to dom go sta. It's the house I'm located at. I have the Loglan ga there, to separate the subject from the verb. Make sense? -- >PLEASE NOTE MY NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS: rmay@hidden.email > Rex F. May (Baloo) > Daily cartoon at: http://www.cnsnews.com/cartoon/baloo.asp > Buy my book at: http://www.kiva.net/~jonabook/gdummy.htm > Language site at: http://www.geocities.com/ceqli/Uploadexp.htm >Discuss my auxiliary language at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/txeqli/