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On Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 05:08:50PM +0100, And Rosta wrote: > Note that natlangs simply do not have terminators. For Ceqli, with > its aspirations to have a more natural feel than Loglan, terminators > are out of the question, except as a brute-force emergency device > (for things like quotations). You seem to have a much different idea of Ceqli's purpose than I do. I think that Ceqli should become a version of Lojban with a much better morphology and with certain annoyances fixed. Various things in it have mimiced natural languages up until now; the ones that don't work in a logical language will have to go. Though terminators are unnatural, I think the alternative is worse. Requiring every place of every predicate would cancel out the conciseness that Ceqli has. The other alternative, of course, is for the grammar to be ambiguous, in which case I don't think Ceqli would fill any particular need. Incidentally, how is an "initial particle telling which places are dropped" any better than a terminator? Rex, what do you think about all this? -- Rob Speer