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On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 06:41:00PM -0600, Rex May - Baloo wrote: > Isn't it a question of how you define 'ho'? I'm thinking of it as meaning > 'by' > I write by use of a pencil. > or one meaning of -ing > I write using a pencil. > > Originally I was following Mandarin usage: > > Go ploj te krajon skri. > > Where the first verb phrase sort of modifies the second. Then I saw > problems with that, and decided to use a 'subordinating particle', which is > how I see the 'ho' here. But then the subject of the sentence has to be one of the arguments to the predicate that you make into a modal. Consider "because" ("ki'u" in Lojban). You are not the cause, and you are not the effect, yet you can attach "because" to a sentence in the same way. You're also relying on argument order rules so that "te krajon" falls into x2, but those don't make sense in modals because there is only one argument. -- Rob Speer