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on 4/26/02 2:13 PM, Rob Speer at rob@hidden.email wrote: > > Unfortunately, "ploj" is not the most straightforward example for > turning a predicate into a modal. > > Say the pinvor that does this is "ho". > > The sentence "go skri hoploj krajon" has two problems. One is that > there's no article before "krajon", so this actually comes out as "go > skri ho plojkrajon". Quite so. Oops. >The other is that "ploj" refers to the user; > "beploj" refers to that which is used, which is what you want the modal > to be. So what you want is "go skri ho beploj ta krajon". ("go skri ho > ploj krajon" would mean "I write used by a crayon". Yes, this is > counterintuitive.) Isn't it a question of how you define 'ho'? I'm thinking of it as meaning 'by' I write by use of a pencil. or one meaning of -ing I write using a pencil. Originally I was following Mandarin usage: Go ploj te krajon skri. Where the first verb phrase sort of modifies the second. Then I saw problems with that, and decided to use a 'subordinating particle', which is how I see the 'ho' here. This sense of 'ho' could be used this way Go dorm ho sta te kama. I sleep in a bed. So 'ho' is maybe a shorthand way of saying. Go sta kama. (and under those conditions) go dorm. -- >PLEASE NOTE MY NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS: rmay@hidden.email > Rex F. May (Baloo) > Daily cartoon at: http://www.cnsnews.com/cartoon/baloo.asp > Buy my book at: http://www.kiva.net/~jonabook/gdummy.htm > Language site at: http://www.geocities.com/ceqli/Uploadexp.htm >Discuss my auxiliary language at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/txeqli/