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Javier wrote: >> His nasal schwa idea sounds interesting as well, >> but does it work with -ng/-ny-? > > I took the idea from listening to Cherokee. And of course > it works with -ng/-ny- as well as it works with any > other nasal consonant; the nasality of the vowel and the > nasality of the consonant are independent, in the same > manner as the voicing of the vowel doesn't interfere with > the voicelessness of p, t or k. Nasalization of the > adjacent vowels to a nasal consonant is just a local habit > of some American English pronounciations, not a general, > universal phonetic rule. Ok, good, I thought so, but I wasn't sure. > Prsonally, I prefer "ñ" to the digraph "ny", because > in Spanish there's a difference between the palatal > nasal ñ and a nasal followed by the semivowel y (n+y). > The final syllables in "España" and "escaño" don't sound > like the final ones in "Hispania" and "geranio". Exactly why I put the sound into the alphabet, but using y. > Why not just using <y> for the schwa, <j> for /j/, > <w> for /w/ and <h> for /h/, leaving aside the palatal > nasal and reducing the set ch/sh/dj/zh to just sh/zh or > ch/dj? I think those are redundant, when i and u can make those sounds. And I think I agree with Rex in that I prefer i and u over y and w. > And regarding the voicing of "h", that's not the > only consonant not to have a pair: none of the weaks > has it either. So, just make "h" be one of them. When I wrote 'consonants' I meant the non-weaks. But if H was not to be schwa, it being a weak would be ok by me. Not that the consonants must be in pairs---that just happens to be the case and I used it to isolate h. >> This system I think seems less 'forced' than Rex's. Only W for zh > and H >> for schwa are a little odd, but the rest work well. Also, Ceqli > stays >> Ceqli. > > And why not the one I've proposed, which is much less > forced than both yours and Rex's: > > Vowels > i /i/ > e /e/ or /E/ --or better the middle sound between both > a /a/ > o /o/ or /O/ --idem (as in Spanish) > u /u/ > y /@/ or /@~/ > > Consonants > p /p/ > b /b/ > f /f/ > v /v/ > t /t/ > d /d/ > s /s/ > z /z/ > c /S/ or /tS/ > x /Z/ or /dZ/ > k /k/ > g /g/ > > Weaks > m /m/ > n /n/ > q /N/ > l /l/ > r /r/ > w /w/ > j /j/ > h /h/ Just to summarize, our systems differ in -letters for /tS/ and /dZ/ or not -use of h -y/w vs. i/u (-ny- sound or not) -- Alexander Browne | alexbrowne@hidden.email Saint Paul, Minn., U.S.