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--- In westasianconlangs@yahoogroups.com, "Isaac Penzev" <isaacp@...>
wrote:
> | 2 reasons: the Central Cappadocian Greek does it (agglutinating the
> | case and plural markers directly to the -os ending;
>
> Ah, that's interesting.
It is; when I discovered that, I was deeply impressed. Assuming that
a Greek-Turkish mixed language is within the purview of the group, I
could probably post my notes on Cappadocian Greek noun declension in
the various dialects. Maybe I can do that tonight or tomorrow.
> I see. It may be good for an occasional borrowing, but how well will
it work
> in a mostly Greek lang?
Well, that's a good question. I don't have enough information on
Cappadocian to get a feel for the aesthetics, which is my main
concern: all of those words pointlessly and monotonously ending in
-os. One of my original ideas was to chop the -os off of all Greek
nouns. Or borrow all Greek nouns in the accusative (an idea not
without precedent). Another idea, coming from other Cappadocian
dialects is to have different noun classes that are part declining and
part agglutinating. I wanted something kind of simple, though.
> My dictionary lacks the word "kiwr". The word for "lord" is _tér_ (with
> regular change é > i in oblique forms: _tiroj_ etc.)
It's possible "kiwr" is Classical Armenian; I took it from a Notepad
that includes lexicon from both in a haphazard fashion.
> Well, that is better, imo.
Better, but maybe not satisfactory. A codification of my Cappadocian
notes might help me decide better what to do. I want something
simple, but natural and precedented of course.
> Don't forget there are other types of declension in Armenian, as you
> could see on tér : tiroj example. Most words in -i get -u in G.
(aygi - aygu 'garden'), old -n stems get -an (muk - mkan
> 'mouse') etc. Notice regular change u > @ in the latter.
Right. And for Classical Armenian, this is what I ahve on the
formation of genitive:
a: am > ami ("year")
i: ban > bani ("word")
u: tsov > tsovu ("sea")
o: beran > beranoy ("mouth")
o and a declensions divide on the basis of whether the stem ends in
vowel or consonant. The consonant declensions are:
o: hogi > hogwoy ("spirit, soul")
a: teLi > teLwoy ("place")
Plurals:
a: amats', hogwots'
i: banits'
u: tsovuts'
o: beranots', teLeats'
Dative for both numbers is the same as genitive.
After this, we get in to declension with stem variation (not to be
confused with nouns that merely display vocalic alternation due to
regular phonological processes. This seems to apply to nouns ending
in (what?) sonorants (?).
> Another example of regular vowel alteration: i > @ (gir 'writing' >
grel 'to
> write'), uy (iw) > u (huyn 'Greek' - hunakan 'adj.').
> The word _huyn_ seems related to Arabic _Yuna:n_ (Old Arm. _y_ often
gives
> _h_ in Mod.Arm.: Hisus, Hovhannes) which in its turn comes from _Yawn_
> "Greece' from probably _Io:n(ia)_. What about using adj. suff. -kan, and
> calling the lang *Yeghinakan (old "l" > "gh": Ghukas, Poghos).
That's a possibility; I attempted to find something Biblical (perhaps
based on Ararat) but never came up with anything aesthetically pleasing.
Cheers,
Eamon