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Salaam! habarakhe scripsit: <<Which transcription are you using? I thought a Kirschenbaum lateral- S was the same as /K/. Could you describe /K/ in phonetic terms?>> Within last year X-SAMPA became dominant and de facto standard "asciification" in the CONLANG-L and its workshops. I don't know Kirschenbaum's. I have reference tables, but didn't ever considered using them; I lacked this need. So I read your |s<lat>| just as reference to traditional Semitologic s-acute without thinking what real sound it could be. AFAIK, scholars still dispute on precise value of this symbol. In X-SAMPA, /K/ renders l-loop: voiceless alveolar lateral fricative. Yitzik