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--- In romconlang@yahoogroups.com, Eric Christopherson <rakko@...> wrote:
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> On Aug 30, 2010, at 10:26 PM, Anthony wrote:
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> > I've been rethinking the Lim1guam1 La2ti2nam1 series of fricatives. Here is my current arrangement, presented for your consideration:
> > ch [tS] < ti, te, ki, ke
> > zh [dZ] < di, de, gi, ge
> > sh {S] < si, se
> > q [t_s\] < [s_\t_s\] < str
> > j [d_z\] < dr
> > x [s\] < [t_s\] tr
>
> Are these meant to be the same sounds as in Mandarin? If so, _ch zh sh_ should be retroflexed, and retroflexes are quite likely to arise from coronal stop+r -- rather than the alveolopalatal series you have coming from that.
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> > Which do you like more for the nasal level tone? lim1 or lin1?
>
> Personally I kind of like the -m1 form, because it reminds me of Portuguese, but apart from Portuguese it's unusual.
>
I prefer the -m1 form, because it reminds me that this is still a romlang (I might simplify it to -m, since the 1 is implicit; but tone sandhi might invalidate that consideration).
It seems to me that a romlang would be more likely to have an alveolopalatal series and a retroflex series, even if the romanization would be similar to Mandarin.
So what about this?
ch, zh, sh - retroflex < str, dr, tr
q, j, x - alveolopalatal < ki, gi, si
c, z, s - coronal < ti, di, sV[-i]