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Re: New Member and Romlang



Somehow all of my actual examples were messed up, I send again with the examples corrected (hopefully)

cavallohorse(caballos)
touall(totu)
fecàliver(fecatu)(neuter)
ioscovobishop(epscopos)
autaiaaltar(altaria)
chorrito look for(querere)
castaiobrown(castanjos)
mutaìto change(mutare)
fomaccheese(formaticu)(neuter)
janollawindow(januella)
seiaevening(sera)
poiafight(pugna)
gassuetayoung woman(garsonetta)
tervaiaìto work(tripaliare)
sambeblood(sanguis)
limbatongue(lingua)
broveshort(brevis)

---------

Okay, now to business.

Nouns:
Three cases: Nom., Acc., Obl.

Masculine:
SingularPlural

Nom.elcatto (cat)licatti
Acclocatlocatto
Oblluicattolecatte

(illecattosillicatti)

(illumcattuilloscattos)

(illuicattoilliscattis)


Feminine:
SingularPlural

Nom.lavacca (cow)levacce
Acc.lavaccalevacche
Obl.levaccelevacce

(illavaccaillaevaccae)
(illam vaccamillasvaccas)
(illae vaccaeillisvaccis)


Neuter:losas(rock)lasassa
   losaslasassa
   luisassolesasse
(<saxo)


Other Declensions:

3rd Declension:
par(Sg.parri, parri)'father'
(Pl.parre, parre, parre)


native (Sg.  nativai, nativai)'birth'
          (Pl.  nativai, nativai, nativai)

reì(Sg.regi,regi)'king'
(Plrege, rege, rege)


tompo  (Sg.  tompo, tompori)'time'
  (Pl.  tompora, tompora, tompore)  


4th Declension:  (mostly replaces by 1st declension)
mano  (Sg.  man,  mano)'hand'
  (Pl    mano/mani, mano, mane)


5th Declension:(indeclinable)
jie  (Sg.jie, jie)'days'
  (Pljie, jie, jie)


----

Verbs:

I won't go into the details now, but here are the subject clitics and one present tense paradigm.

vederi  'see'
i vijo nevedemo
te vedivevedeì
a vediiviju

a = l' after or before vowels:

el mi l vedi 'he sees me'
heme3Ssees

----
Two sample texts:

A)  Something silly:
la  muie miamil domandacheifojo  pe  le  tervaie
thewifemyme3Saskwhat1SdoI    for  the.OBL  job.OBL

Mai  nun    i    fo  nigenti    pe  le  tervaie
but  not  1S  do  nothing  for  the.OBL  job.OBL

Jom'i sijotoalajiealecostedelui       fiummi.
Ime1Ssitallthedayatthe.OBLside.OBLofthe.OBL river.OBL

Nunitiolatervaia!
not1Shavethejob!


B)  Lords Prayer:

El  par      noç,  che    t’    e      en    lui      ceu
the fatherour    that  2S  are    in    the    heaven
        
Cheelnomitoasiasantificà
thatthenameyou3Sbe.sbjsantified

Cheelreiotoavia
thatthekingdomyour3Scome.sbj

Chelavolontètaasiafait
thatthewillyour3Sbe.sbjdone    

Enleterresil'eagoa misimaen lui  ceu
in the.OBLearthlike3Sisthis.timesamein  the heaven

Dainoiujilopaipeaccostejie
give.2Pustodaythe.ACCbread.ACC        forthis.OBL  day    

Pordoai    lo  nosciopoccatello
pardon.2Pthe.ACC.PLoursins.ACC.PL

Sicomo  noinepordoamolochecontra noiipoccà
likeas    we1Ppardonthe.ACC.PLthatagainstus3Psin

Nunnilaisciaimigaenletintazoi
notuslead.2Snotinthe.OBLtempation.OBL

Mailivrainoidilomau
butdeliver.2Susfromthe.OBLevil.OBL


Perhaps I shall send more later.

-Elliott 





----- Original Message ----
From: Elliott Lash <erelion12@hidden.email>
To: romconlang@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 12:50:31 AM
Subject: New Member and Romlang

Hello

I am a new member here (although some may know me from the Conlang list, as the creator of Silindion). I haven't really done any conlanging for a long time, but recently, I've been playing around with doing a Romlang.  This comes from attending several conferences that were very heavy into Romance dialects: first one about Italian Dialects then one about Historical Linguistics. 

Anyway, the new Romlang is a Northern Italian dialect, with a small twist in grammar: it has cases and three genders This in addition to its subject clitics, makes it kind of cool (in my humble opinion).  

In phonology, it is somewhat like Italian but also somewhat like Portuguese (and occasionally Romanian). Like Italian, it turns Vulgar Latin -culum sequences into -cchio. Like Portugues, medial ungeminated /l/, /n/ and sometimes /r/ is dropped (but only when after the stress). Like some Northern Italian dialects, medial -t- is dropped (especially in past participles), again when after the stress. 
Another thing that I decided was cool was Italian 'domandare' from 'demandare'. I have taken this to extreme, so that whenever an original Latin /e/ was in in contact with a labial (even across a /r/ or /l/, then it became /o/. 

Here is a sample vocabulary (with Vulgar Latin in parentheses)

cavallo horse(caballos)
touall(totu)
fecàliver(fecatu)(neuter)
ioscovobishop(epscopos)
autaiaaltar(altaria)
chorrito look for(querere)
castaiobrown(castanjos)
mutaìto change(mutare)
fomaccheese(formaticu)(neuter)
janollawindow(januella)
seiaevening(sera)
poiafight(pugna)
gassuetayoung woman(garsonetta)
tervaiaìto work(tripaliare)
sambeblood(sanguis)
limbatongue(lingua)
broveshort(brevis)

---------

Okay, now to business.

Nouns:
Three cases: Nom., Acc., Obl.

Masculine:
SingularPlural

Nom.elcatto (cat)licatti
Acclocatlocatto
Oblluicattolecatte

(illecattosillicatti)

(illumcattuilloscattos)

(illuicattoilliscattis)


Feminine:
SingularPlural

Nom.lavacca (cow)levacce
Acc.lavaccalevacce
Obl.levaccelevacce

(illavaccaillaevaccae)

(illamvaccamillasvaccas)

(illae vaccaeillisvaccis)


Neuter:losas(rock)lasassa
losaslasassa
luisassolesasse


(<saxo)


Other Declensions:

3rd Declension:
par(Sg.parri, parri)'father'
(Pl.parre, parre, parre)


native (Sg.  nativai, nativai)'birth'
          (Pl.   nativai, nativai, nativai)

reì(Sg.regi,regi)'king'
(Plrege, rege, rege)


tompo  (Sg.  tompo, tompori)'time'
   (Pl.  tompora, tompora, tompore)  


4th Declension:  (mostly replaces by 1st declension)
mano   (Sg.   man,  mano)'hand'
   (Pl    mano/mani, mano, mane)


5th Declension:(indeclinable)
jie   (Sg.jie, jie)'days'
   (Pljie, jie, jie)


----

Verbs:

I won't go into the details now, but here are the subject clitics and one present tense paradigm.

vederi  'see'
i vijo nevedemo
te vedivevedeì
a vediiviju

a = l' after or before vowels:

el mi l vedi 'he sees me'
heme3Ssees

----
Two sample texts:

A)  Something silly:
la  muie miamil domandacheifojo  pe   le  tervaie
thewomanmyme3Saskwhat1SdoI   for   the.OBL    job.OBL

Mai  nun    i     fo  nigenti     pe  le  tervaie
but   not   1S  do  nothing   for  the.OBL  job.OBL

Jom'i sijotoalajiealecostedelui     fiummi.
I1Smesitallthedayatthe.OBLside.OBLofthe.OBL river.OBL

Nunitiolatervaia!
not1Shavethejob!


B)  Lords Prayer:

El   par      noç,   che    t’     e      en    lui       ceu
the fatherour     that   2S   are    in    the     heaven
        
Cheelnomitoasiasantificà
thatthenameyou3Sbe.sbjsantified

Cheelreiotoavia
thatthekingdomyour3Scome.sbj

Chelavolontètaasiafait
thatthewillyour3Sbe.sbjdone    

Enleterresil'eagoa misimaen lui  ceu
in the.OBLearthlike3Sisthis.timesamein  the heaven

Dainoiujilopaipeaccostejie
give.2Pustodaythe.ACCbread.ACC        forthis.OBL   day    

Pordoai     lo  nosciopoccatello
pardonthe.ACC.PLour.ACC.PLsins.ACC.PL

Sicomo  noinepordoamolochecontra noiipoccà
likeas      we1Ppardonthe.ACC.PLthatagainstus3Psin

Nunnilaisciaimigaenletintazoi
notuslead.2SnotintheOBLtempation.OBL

Mailivrainoidilomau
butdeliver.2Susfromthe.OBLevil.OBL


Perhaps I shall send more later.

-Elliott