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I thought you might want to know I just saw in von Kienle's "Historische Laut- und Formenlehre des Deutschen." that what is usually given in textbooks as - *ê > OHG ê, ea, ia, ie is really - OHG ê > ea > ia > ie i.e. it is really an historical progression observable over the centuries within OHG! Of course io of whatever source (a-umlauted *eu, ew, eww) also ends up as ie, e.g. - *knewa > *knew > kneo > knio > knie 'knee' Which goes to show I was right in setting up - VL *a: > *&: > ea > ia in Rhodrese based on the progression - &: > &@ > E@ > e@ > I@ which Labov describes for American English (in _bad, mad_ and other words). I.e. Rhodrese has _ia_ in most cases where French has /E/ corresponding to VL A. I didn't posit ia > ie in Rhodrese since I didn't want ia < VL *a: and ie < VL *E: to merge at any rate in the standard language, though I think in the dialects ie > ia occurs parallel to VL e: > ORdr ei > ai, which happens unconditioned in the standard language too. VL O: o: develop in parallel of course, and there are lots of 'extra' _au_ from VL /B/ / V_{C, #} e.g. CAPITEM > caud, orthographically distinguished from CALDU > caod[^1]. There are of course other sources of ai too, like MAGISTRU > maistre, MAIOR > mair (but MAIOREM > mayaur). BTW there is no monophthongization in modern Rhodrese, so these are phonetically [caU)d maI)stRe maI)r/maI)R majaU)r/majaU)R] [^1]: I think the normal word for 'head' is _teste_ [tEstI] anyway, while a chef is a _cauday de cucine_ [caU)'daI) dI kU'sinI]. FWIW _cauday/-daine_ might well be an adjective too. /BP