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Pete, have you considered how different the history of a Europe where Elbe remained the northern border of Rome would be!? The Migration would probably be confined to the East Germanic tribes: Goths, Vandals, Burgundians, the Iranic Alans, at the most the Suabians would invade Roman Germania. Above all there would be no Frankish Gaul - all of Gaul might end up called Bourgogne! And at most a Romano-Germanic Britain. More interestingly: imagine Rome falling into several parts of its own accord, with the sons and nephews of Constantine ending up as emperors not of two parts but five or six: Julian (of course) in Germania, another in Britain, Pelagian in religion, a third in Gaul and Iberia, a fourth in Italy with Raetia and Africa, ultimately falling to the Vandals, a fifth - Constantius - in the East and perhaps a sixth in Egypt with Palestine, and in addition a Gothic kingdom in Dacia and the Balkan, Arian in religion! Imagine the Julian empire in Germania remaining pagan and invading Scandinavia in the ninth century. And an Alan state in what in OTL is North-eastern Germany and western Poland, ultimately Slavic in speech, Turkic Avars in Pannonia, Hungarians in Ukraine... Perhaps Justinian and the Arabs would basically come in later and do their thing, although I think the brunt of Justinian's activities would be directed towards Arian Gothic Dacia. Arather different and fascinating world, with ample room for linguistic inventions too. Any takers? /BP -- / BP