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--- spad0103 <spad0103@hidden.email> wrote:
> Bond� a toz,
> Hello everyone,
Salue!
> While reading the last messages of this group,
> something just
> bothered me:
> Why are there always "two clans": the auxiliary
> romlangs and the
> artistic romlangs.
The division is really quite old, stemming all
the way back to a more generic auxlang vs.
conlang war that ended with the auxlangers being
sent packing to their own mailing list (Auxlang)
so that they can carp about each other's
best-thing-since-sliced-bread auxlang and the
various camps of conlangers could be left in
peace. What you witnessed here was but a shadow
of those earlier times. If you've ever subscribed
to Auxlang, you'll know what I mean.
> Both have disadvantages:
Spoken like a true auxlanger! And as is often the
case among auxlangers, it misses the point
entirely. Artistic conlangers aren't here for any
perceived "advantage" and don't really care about
the "disadvantages". That's a typical auxlang way
of looking at languages, in terms of relative
advantages and ease of use. We're here to talk
about and show off our creations; whether they're
easy or hard advantageous or disadvantageous, we
like em all. In fact, some of the hardest, most
unlikely, most maggelatious languages invented
are our favourites!
> - Auxiliary romlangs are easy to learn,
In a nutshell, we don't care! If we want easy to
learn, we'll pick up Teach Yourself Interlingua.
> but they're always TOO easy,
> it's like taking people as idiots: the language
> "have to be"
> understandable by most of people. Can't they
> just learn its
> vocabulary as they make for any language? These
> are often "cold"
> languages, every one of them looks similar to
> the others
They're called "euroclones" for a very good
reason.
> (compare
> Interlingua with Novial or Lingua Franca Nova,
> they're quite
> similar). They have no real taste, no richness.
But they're not supposed to. Taste and richness
are not in the design specs. Ease of use and
meaning transparancy are the ideals.
> Even Latin has taste!
>
> - Artistic romlangs are quite beautiful or
> styled but can anyone
> learn them, except their creator?
Once again, spoken like a true auxlanger! You
guys never have gotten the point. We DON'T CARE
if anyone else ever learns our languages! Someone
else learning a conlang is entirely BESIDE THE
POINT. If someone wants to learn our languages,
that's fine too, but we don't hang our hats on
how many speakers we've collected.
> I'm often fed up with reading
> their hundred-page grammars and vocabularies.
So what? I enjoy it. To each his own!
> People making them
> often forget the fact that someone can be
> interested in learning them!
Hence the utility of the grammar and vocabulary.
If someone wants to learn Latin, they're not
going to do it from a list of "10 Rules of Latin
Grammar" or "Latin in 10 Easy Lessons"!
> I ask sometimes people about it and they
> just tell me they
> don't care about making people learn it.
Exactly. If someone wants to learn, they can
access the grammar and lexicon and example texts.
Otherwise, most conlangers really are not
concerned about disseminating their works.
> I'm just between these two kinds. I want to
> make my language
> beautiful and I want to make people learn it...
> Am I the only one here in this group?
Gods and saints, that would probably be too much
to ask for! Auxlangers are loopy! Did you
proofread what you just wrote? You want to "make"
people learn your language? I don't even think
those E-o nutters have gone quite that far. We've
got two of you auxlangers in the group now, and
that's two too many! ;)
> See you!
Cheers! I think the following would be
appropriate on today:
AND LO! - there came from the Wilderness of
Shinar a man, and he saith to them: "JEN!, estas
donis min el Diojn la interlingvon perfekton!"
And the people of the place said the one to the
other: "What manner man is this that comes from
the Wilderness of Shinar speaking in thuswise to
us? And what manner fool am I that speak in this
wise to thee that kens not my speech? And why
yells thou at me who kens not thy babble?" And
the man went up to the agora, and he bare with
him a Book. Bespectacled he was, having a beard
in the manner of a devil and the demeanour of a
Bohemian. And the people went up to the agora,
but ere they arrived, lo! they were accosted by a
man comming through the Kings Gate, and he saith
to them: "HE! es dato me de Dio la interlingua
perfect!" And the people were amazed, saying the
one to the other: "How now! What manner man is
this that is come through the Kings Gate that
speaks to us in thuswise?" A strange scarf this
man wore around his neck and a strange bowl was
set upon his head and a strange cape with armings
was buttoned around his middle; and lo! he too
strode up to the agora. And the people went up to
the agora and behold! a third man was there, come
down from the very heavens and he saith to the
people: "ALO! Es dada me dal Dio la entralingua
perfecta!" And the three strangers debated long
amongst themselves, with much gesticulating and
raised voices. None could understand what the
visitors said, and the priests and astrologers
were summoned at the satraps request, and he
saith to them: "O wise men of the City! What
manner men are these that come from the
Wilderness of Shinar or else from the Kings Gate
or else from the very heavens to our humble agora
and dispute so amongst themselves in thuswise so
vociferously? - that is what the people ask!"
Long did the priests and elders of the city
hearken to the visitors and their strange
dialogue; but none could ken their meaning, for
they used cunning foreign speech, saying things
like "grammatical incompetency", "banal
euroclonicity" and "worldwide appeal and ease of
learning"...
> Nemszev,
> the creator of Vrialese, a romance conlang,
> which you can read on my blog:
> http://nemszev.hautetfort.com
>
>
Cheers and thanks for the link.
Nice little language!
Padraic
Camifi, Marusi, teterani, tester fuferios asteros; tamenio
vem Persaecion empuriase ed ec pasem emduriase!
--Pomperios Perfurios.
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