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Thank you, Jan (and others), Joe Hill's "Läßinu" seems to be very similar to what I was imagining, even down to the sort of area such a language might have developed. It seems quite a tricky one to work out, because the stops that shifted to affricates in German are more or less the same ones that were begining to be palatised in VL at a similar sort of time (give or take a couple of centuries). If you want to have the vocabulary "feel" more Hochdeutsch, you have to assume the phonology was closer to CL than VL at the start of the "High German" shift, which it may not have been (?) I had a quick play myself yesterday, and came up with the following, although I'm not too sure at all about the vowels (I need to refresh my memory on German vowel shifts and some Latin grammar!). Orthology is modern High German, which gives it a more North European look. What else would a self-respecting descendent of a CIVIS ROMANVS BOREALIIS want? 1 uno 2 tuo 3 tre 4 chuazzo <?> chuazo /xu:atso/ 5 chuinku /xu:inkU/ 6 secks 7 söß /s2s/ 8 ößo /2so/ 9 nof /noB/ 10 tess Dschannuario, Fewruario ( <w> = /B/ ), Marz, Aprill, Maj, Junio, Julio, Okußto, Säßemper, Äußemper, Nowemper, Tessemper fäucho ( /fOYxo/ ) "fire", zößta "head", tschawallo / chawallo "horse", putscha / pucha "mouth", tschasa / chasa "house" ( the last three would have either initial /tS/ or /x/, depending on whether the CL /k/ was palatised before the "German" shift ). Looks quite interesting (I think) - now I just need to dig out my old grammar books... Peter. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jan van Steenbergen To: romconlang@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [romconlang] Germano-Romance? [...] Henrik already mentioned two languages: Jörg Rhiemeier's "Germanech" and Dan Jones' "Jelbazech". You can see samples of both languages at my Relay page, <http://steen.free.fr/relay10/list.html>. A third language built on the same premise is Joe Hill's "Lessinu". I don't know how well-developed it is, though. I suppose Google will turn up anything there's to know about it. A fourth language that is sometimes counted is Christian Thalmann's "Jovian". A véry nice language, but I don't think it was explicitly meant to become Germano-Romance, although it has a few Germanic features in it. Hope that answers your question! Jan "If you think you are too small to make a difference, try sleeping in a closed room with a mosquito." http://steen.free.fr/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]