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Reordering the queries here ... At 02:31 31/01/2004, Muke Tever wrote:On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:47:52 +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson <cea@hidden.email>wrote: > Nom. Sing. hinges > Gen. Sing. hingitis > [...] One thing you might do is drop the 'h' (as sometimes happens, cf. "anser")--|inges, -itis| looks much more Latinate. [...] Third off, it's possible Grassmann's Law might apply[1]; thus it could possibly be |ginges| from *g(e)ngh-.[1] e.g. |gradior|, etc. < *ghredh-... *if* that isnt the regular outcomeof *ghr; competing evidence is |ruo| < *ghre:u-.Though how common is that dropping the h-? Most of the results of initial PIE gh- in Latin that I can think of seem to retain initial h- .... *ghabh- > habere *ghiem- > hiems *ghor-to- > hortus *ghos-ti- > hostis
Well, of those only *ghabh- satisfies the requirement for Grassmann's Law (dissimilation of aspirates) .. you wouldnt expect the others to. Actually the aspiration dropping only appears to happen sometimes before *r and *l.
There's *ghredh- ~> gred-/grad- (as mentioned already) *ghladh-ro- ~> glaber competing with: *ghrewd- ~> rūdus *ghrōwo- ~> rāvus *ghrēu- ~> ruo, congruo, ingruo
Under such circumstances, I'm not sure about |ginges| < *g(e)ngh- either .... :/
I don't propose it as necessary, or even likely. But in conlanging one can always appeal to an occasional bend of the rules when needed to produce an attractive form [it could be called dialectal, like l for d in lacrima, lingua, levir].
Second off, must it be a consonant stem and in -it- ?Well, I don't know if it *must* be a consonant stem in -it-, but given the Celtic evidence -- Gaulish *cingeto- and Old Irish cing (gen. cinged) --and the many links between Celtic and Italic, it seemed to me that a consonant stem in -it- was reasonably appropriate. I'm not sure what a plausible alternative might be ...?
Dunno here either. The only thing I could think of offhand are an (implausible) root noun |hinx, hingis| or an (unattractive) regular o-stem |hingus, -ī|.
(If this were my IE-lang family, I would use *ghn=gh-wo-s or possibly *ghongh-e2-wo-s, but I dont think Latin used those suffixes productively in that manner. It'd be Atlantic *šoge [`SOgE] for the first or *šâŋgje ['S@NgZE] for the second).
At 02:43 01/02/2004, Costentin Cornomorus wrote:If I could remember where I put Sihler, I could comment more on *hinges.I'm not familiar with Sihler -- _New Comparative Grammar of Greek and Latin_? -- though it sounds fun :)
That's the book. The title may be slightly misleading: the only relation that Greek and Latin have is common descent from Proto-Indo-European, which is what the bulk of the book is actually about: PIE, from the perspective of its remains in Greek and Latin.
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