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--- Isaac Penzev <isaacp@hidden.email> wrote:
> magomagno2 scripsit:
>
> > I'm working on my own ideal international
> Romance lang. I'm just
> > calling it Neo-Latin for now(I know, not very
> original) Here's some
> > of the basic stuff. Tell me what ya think.
>
> I'm not a fan of "international" languages. And
> I get furious when I hear about
> "ideal" languages. But since everybody is
> silent, let the Poisonous Snakie talk...
Agreed about the "ideal" and "international"
bits. Neo-Latin is no more "ideal" than any other
Euroclone language (which all claim the same) and
is as "international" as Italian (i.e., it will
be readily understood by Spanish and maybe French
speakers; but incomprehensible to Germans, Finns
and Russians, to say nothing of speakers of any
other language family.
A note to the Great Wizzard: we'd love to hear
everything about Neo-Latin, and look forward to
seeing it develop. But we'd also like to see this
message as the very last in which you tout it as
"ideal" or "international". There is a list
called AUXLANG in which you can discuss all the
political aspects of IALs like Neo-Latin and
Esperanto and whatever.
> > Nouns end in a, e, o, or u, according to
> their ablative singular
> > ending in Latin.
> > Aqua Fratre
> > Filio Fructu
>
> Why should you keep -u? In most natlangs those
> stems merged with -o-stems.
Why not? Spanish keeps it (espiritu) as does
Romanian.
> > The plural is formed by adding -i.
> > Aquai Fratrei
> > Filioi Fructui
>
> Why not -s ? Usually adding -i produces other
> phonetic changes.
I agree. The -s would be more panromance and
would eliminate the inevitable [a]+[i] > [aj]
that Latin already did millenia ago.
> > The definite article is il. The indefinite is
> un.
>
> No gender? Strange... Romlangs used to have
> gender...
They still do. Some have all three inherited
genders. Euroclones tend to dump it for some
strange reason, though!
> > The Genitive is formed with de.
> > Il aqua de flumine. The river's water.
> > De + il = Di. This is the only contraction in
> Neo Latin.
>
> Why not "del" ? "Di" is a non-article form in
> Romlangs!
I agree. "Del" would be a little more obvious
that "di" (which looks a lot like "gods").
Anyway, why is "di" the only contraction? "Al",
"col", "pel", etc. all make fine contractions.
> > The Dative is formed with a, ad
>
> Why you call them "Genetive" and "Dative". Are
> they cases? ;))
Obviously. Like English, Neo-Latin has all zero
endings and makes strong use of prepositions. It
remains to be seen whether N-L has any situations
where prepositions are not required.
> > All adjectives end in the last remaining
> vowel, -i.
> > The compartive is formed by adding -or.
> > The superlative is formed by adding -ssimo
>
> Isn't comp. and sup. adjectives too? Why they
> have different ending?
I would have expected -ssimi. The -or is clearly
inherited.
> > Verbs have 4 tenses, Present, Past, Future,
> and Conditional.
>
> You call Cond. "tense"?!!! Dog my cats!
Yep. Pretty common to just lump the conditional
with the other tenses in modern Romance language
texts. I consider the cond. a tense in Kerno;
clearly Andrew considered it such in Brithenig.
It's simply a consession to making it a little
easier to present the language to lay people who
don't want to have learn a whole new mood that
has no practical tenses in.
> > Well, what do ya think? I'm open to any
> comments or suggestions. I
> > know you'll probably tell me to get rid of
> the verb conjugations, but
> > I think they're easy enough to keep in.
I wonder why you transpose the 2nd and 3rd
persons.
> Many many natural (read: ideal) languages have
> them more...
> To end with, I think the lang you offer is not
> ideal. What are the criteria for
> idealness?
Such can be discussed on Auxlang!
> I'm quite sure Japanese is much more
> ideal: all cases are denoted by
> postpositional particles, there are only 2
> irregular verbs, the word order is fixed.
Hardly an ideal situation, alas!
> And Mandarin Chinese is almost perfect:
> it has neither declension, nor conjugation.
A barren desert.
Padraic.
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Passe lê tempeor po rizer; passe lê tempeor pois Ddé.
-- per tradicièn Niponor
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