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On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 6:21 PM, selpa'i <seladwa@hidden.email> wrote: > Am 24.10.2012 23:23, schrieb John E. Clifford: > > On Oct 24, 2012, at 3:46 PM, "Mike S." <maikxlx@gmail.com > > <maikxlx@gmail.com">mailto:maikxlx@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> > >> le je li fgri mplike li glri kmeki plkeka'a > >> "The fire-instantiated property of hot things is pleasant to me." > >> "The fire's hotness is pleasant to me." > >> > >> That's verbose, but that does seem to be the right logical form. In > >> Lojban: > >> > >> .i lo se mupli be lo fagri be'o je ka glare cu pluka mi > > > > Or more simply lo ka lo fagri cu glare cu pluka mi. (apparently you > > can't do that in X). > > You can't do that in modern Lojban either. A ka without a ce'u is not > well-formed by today's standards (at least according to most people). It would be interpreted as a property of standards of warmth: "lo ka lo fagri cu glare [ce'u]" > That would be "lo nu lo fagri cu glare cu pluka mi". I don't see how a > property is necessary in this particular case. Or, it could be: "lo fagri cu melbi mi lo ka [ce'u] glare". Lojban is not very consistent in how to do these things. co ma'a xrxe