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On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 9:36 PM, And Rosta <and.rosta@hidden.email> wrote: > > As I wrote in the other thread: > > > There's a slightly different quantifier that I'd been meaning to > > mention, but have kept on forgetting. It's an existential quantifer > > with scope over the whole discourse: > > > > "Once upon a time, there was a poor woodcutter. He lived in a hut > > with his dutiful daughter." > > > > In Livagian I treat it as a separate quantifier in its own right. > > (Livagian doesn't have Xorban's lV.) > > How to do this in Xorban? Just "la [poor]a [woodcutter]a"? -- No, tthat's > "The poor are woodcutters"? Maybe "sa > [hereby-newly-introduced-into-discourse]a je [poor]a [woodcutter]a"? There seem to be two issues here: how to introduce it, and how to carry it over to other sentences. For the first part, I don't see any problem with plain s-: la je drna cdra se je pnde mdrktne cbneka Distant era-A, some-E poor(E) & woodcutter(E): at(E,A) Now as long as you keep everything within the same sentence, you can keep using "e": la je drna cdra se je pnde mdrktne je cbneka je li je dtfli txnike lo gnmokeki lu cmlzdnu xbjoku Distant era-A: some-E poor(E) & woodcutter(E): at(E,A) & (dutiful(I) & daughter(I,E))-I: they(O,E,I)-O: hut-U: lived-in(O,U) But this can get painful soon. We don't have a way to quantify over multiple unconnected sentences. If you use the implicit binding rule you could keep using "e" with "le je pnde mdrktne" restriction and recover it in a new sentence: la je drna cdra se je pnde mdrktne cbneka Distant era-A, some-E poor(E) & woodcutter(E): at(E,A) li je dtfli txnike lo gnmokeki lu cmlzdnu xbjoku (dutiful(I) & daughter(I,E))-I: they(O,E,I)-O: hut-U: lived-in(O,U) where the binding of each E in the second sentence is an implicit "le je pnde mdrktne". mu'o mi'e xorxes