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Re: [engelang] Xorban Development



Mike S., On 25/08/2012 00:41:
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 12:03 PM, And Rosta <and.rosta@hidden.email <mailto:and.rosta@hidden.email>> wrote:

    Mike S., On 24/08/2012 03:13:
     >
     > There would be relatively little homonymy and no need for a kludge if
     > there were a way to transliterate names from the vast array of
     > natural languages with relatively little change. I gather that
     > transliteration is not a primary aim of the language, but
     > nevertheless I believe it would be useful and convenient for Xorban
     > speakers to have a relatively faithful and easy method of
     > transliteration. Using a designated phoneme like the glottal stop
     > (properly spelled) {'} would allow that. That way, recognizable words
     > like {'spageti'-}, {'betxoven'-}, {'joxanezberx'-}, {'kimono'-},
     > {'tiranosawrus'-} are possible that cause little need for fussing or
     > guessing. To xorbanize, simply drop/alter the vowels and drop
     > glottals -> spgt-, btxvn-, jxnzbrx-, kmn-, trnsrs- and
     > modify/compound if there is a collision with an existing predicate.
     >
     > Or, maybe the first {'} could be a CV as you suggested, and the
     > second {'} always preceded by a vowel. That would be a little longer,
     > but easier to pronounce.

    If <'> is an allograph of <q> (if <q> is /?/), that would indeed be a nice way of marking quotatives (i.e. mentioned linguistic material), and one function of quotatives could be, as you suggested, in a construction meaning "X is name of Y".

Yes, <'> is /?/. I would say that name quotatives enclosing a name X
produce a two-place name predicate expressible in metalanguage as
"x"(y, z) which means "Y (is known as X to) Z".

OK. Let it also be the stem of a one-place-predicate such that "x"(y) means "y is the linguistic object x". Since argument suffixes can't be omitted, the number of argument suffixes serve to disambiguate the stem.

     > > The only question is about using the commonly used variables of shape
     > > "V" - if we are also doing things like using free variables to create
     > > the passive voice so to speak, we have to be careful about that. The
     > > sentence "na la xrja nlceka" intended as "pigs aren't liked", under a
     > > certain context might mean "the woman with the red hat doesn't like
     > > pigs". So maybe we should set aside or some "V'V" or "Vy"or "aw" for
     > > the purpose of an explicitly unbound variable indicating something
     > > like "zo'e".
     >
     >     {zo'e} is a terrible idea, because it's so unhelpfully vague. But a V'V for "le co'e" -- "him/her/it/them" might be a good idea. Maybe the rule would be that V'a is interpreted as a definite reference unless explicitly bound.

I saw you and Xorxe working on csna'e-type bindings last night, but I
haven't figured it all out, but "what we're discussing" seems to
match my idea for a set of assignable discourse topics.

Strictly speaking, definites needn't have already been directly discussed; rather, the hearer can identify which referent the speaker has in mind.

--And.