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In a message dated 6/3/2002 4:04:36 PM Central Daylight Time, a-rosta@hidden.email writes:And brevity was not in fact a significant goal, except as manifest Well not a stated one at least, but always in operation at, perhaps, an esthetic level, i.e., zipfeanism (all technical terms used in Loglan/Lojban quickly become idiosyncratic and somewhat -- or enormously -- confused. Zipfy is better than most, since Zipf's Law is actually a well-confirmed statistical generalization about natural languages that is justified by several other disciplines as well -- conmmunication theory, neurophychology, etc. -- and so constitutes something close enough to a universal that loglangs would be ill-advised to screw with it too egregiously). pkrosen: <Having been priviledged to see the gradual unfolding of Livagian over the past few years, there is a definite artlang aesthetic involved, and I have to feel that rather than beeing opposite ends of a continuum, artlang and engelang might better be thought of as x and y coordinates, where some languages have a higher value for one parameter than the other, while some are more balance. There is probably a z-axis as well, but I can't think of what it should be off the top of my head.> Practical-theoretical (or community - machine) springs to mind, given the beautifully engineered languages in history that were all unspeakable but would work nicely on a machine (MTIL lovers might want to look back at Thomas Urqhart and the like -- Oh, but I did that already!) <(Quechua has been described as a rather engelangy natlang).> I've seen the claim made for neighboring Aymara (and by gods=spacemen, yet), who says it of Quechua? |